obama's, and debt reduction commission had recommended that you raise tens of revenue for the federal government, you do tax reform, and you actually lower rates while you expand the base, and the reason is that if you raise rates, you injure economic expansion, if you lower them, you exhilarated, and by making deductions, you make the tax system a more fair wind. you have the lawyers who work around the rates and and they have lobbies -- >> may i say -- >> no principle involved? >> i heard the july 2011 statement argument first ramesh lemmel. -- first from rush limbaugh. i think i heard it from drudge -- >> did you see it on tape? >> i know where it comes from and you repeated quite well. rates first?h bill clinton did who changed it again, george w. bush. they thought it made sense. it tried to change the composition by making it about revenue -- you unwatched people don't understand the difference between rates and revenue. >> bring us all together, please. >> with the number of lobbyists and the super pacs morphing into lobbyists, god knows what will happen with the deductions. that will tak